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Blasph
Posted 7/13/2010 5:44 PM (#32651)
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... and doesn't know which one to pick.

I've been watching stars my entire life. With an old, Made-in-USSR binoculars.
Now, I've seen plenty of pictures off hubblesite, but all of them on my computer screen. I want to see them... live.
I've been planning to purchase a telescope for quite some time now, and once I finally got to the point of being somewhat financially independable,
it turned out to be not an easy task.

My cost range closes at around 1k $. I'm from Poland and obviously our currency is different.
So are our options regarding online stores - many of those are simply operating within the North-American area exclusively.
Regardless, I still believe the prices ought to be somewhat comparable, and the availability at least in part similar.
One more thing - a used telescope is not an option, I want a brand new one.

As I understand there's a whole variety of different telescopes to choose from, depending on what is it that I want to watch, the distance, luminosity, etc.
In my case, that would be Messier catalog and NGC objects. I'm not interested in uhm... terrestial landscapes, the moon or the sun.
Once or twice a year I might want to take a glimpse at one of the gas giants in our own solar system and see how many moons I can count, if any, but that's it.
What I'm most interested in are distant galaxies, nebulae, supernovae, star clusters, maybe some other interesting objects within our own galaxy.
Shortly, anything beyond, say, a distance of one parsec from Earth. Of course this may mean Sirius B or Sombrero galaxy; the range is fairly extensive and I realize that.
Nonetheless, I believe that some of the telescopes may be better suitable for objects with little luminosity and thus in some way not exactly the best choice for the brightest spots on the nightsky. My point is, I would like to get something in-between; something I can use to watch the closest star but also retain the capability to clearly see other galaxies, even those on the edge of the Local Group.

Aside from what I want to see, I wouldn't mind to have the SkyWatcher/GoTo device with hardcoded locations of some widely known objects.
I read that these can count as many as 40000 in the telescope's database, which I belive will suffice for the rest of my life.
Or at least until humanity develops a starship technology that will take us there, wherever 'there' might be.
I don't need to take pictures of anything.
The option to use a camera alongside to shoot whatever I might see out there is not really a necessity,
especially if it's going to hinder some of the device's other functions, and/or significantly increase the price tag.
I understand this is a fairly popular option and many telescope manufacturers provide those camera accomodations built-in,
but nonetheless, I don't need this and will probably never use it even if I get it.

I live in a town with around 20k inhabitants yet close to two significantly large, well-lit industrial centers - a powerplant and a coal mine.
They both give out a kind of hellish glow at night, even from the distance of several miles.
The result is, that there are few sufficiently dark places around, thus the telescope's mobility is of some importance,
since I'm planning to take it to a mountain site specifically prepared for astronomers - no lights in the vicinity. That site is about 30 miles away.
So, the telescope can't be an unmovable brick, and it would be nice if it could be quickly assembled and disassembled, as well as made of some durable materials, in order to survive the trip

I belive this is all the information you will need to provide me with some suggestions, but if you need anything else, just let me know.

Thanks a lot in advance for any help you can give.

Edited by Blasph 7/13/2010 5:50 PM
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mosheriffic
Posted 7/13/2010 6:18 PM (#32652 - in reply to #32651)
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Hello and WELCOME to Andy's place!! Sounds like you have done your homework!! All of the Messier and most of the NGC catalog will be visible with this scope, depending on the darkness of your sky:
http://www.opticalvision.co.uk/astronomical_telescopes/sky-watcher/...
This one is nice because the tube collapses for transport and has the ability to track an object.
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David Pavlich
Posted 7/14/2010 6:51 PM (#32679 - in reply to #32652)
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Welcome! I just went to that webpage and found that the goto in NOT available for that specific scope. There is the Orion Intelliscopes...or whatever their Skywatcher version is called.

David
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mosheriffic
Posted 7/14/2010 8:22 PM (#32686 - in reply to #32679)
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That scope has DSC's, like the Orion Intelliscope, and has tracking motors added!! Pretty cool!!
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Blasph
Posted 7/19/2010 6:57 AM (#32857 - in reply to #32651)
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Thanks a lot guys. It seems the particular model suggested in the first reply is not available in my country. Although other dobsonian telescopes are, however they lack the GoTo system. Plus the prices are rather steep compared to what I've seen on that site posted by mosheriffic. I'll have to spend some time and maybe I can figure out how to buy a decent telescope of the dobsonian type and then additionally equip it with the goto system. It looks like trying to find a telescope with that system in a 2 in 1 package is going to be painfully difficult. Anyway, again I'm thankful for directing me towards this particular type of telescopes, since I've never seen those before and judging by the parameters, this is precisely what I need. If anything, I'll post some info about my choice once I make one, and see what you got to say about it.

EDIT: One more thing: I've seen these telescopes in 8, 10 and 12" versions. How much visual difference does it make? Is 12 so much better than 10 and 10 so much more than 8, that I should reconsider how much money I might want to spend on it?
I'm curious since considering I've seen all of them available, but without the GoTo support, I might pick 8" and buy the GoTo system additionally vs. 10 or 12 without the system, and they're still going to be roughly within the same price range.

Here's an example:

http://skywatchertelescope.net/swtinc/product.php?id=170&class1=1&c...

Edited by Blasph 7/19/2010 7:32 AM
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David Pavlich
Posted 7/19/2010 8:58 AM (#32861 - in reply to #32857)
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The jump from 8 to 12 is fairly dramatic, but the 2" jump is quite subtle. Standard advice; buy the most aperture that you can afford AND transport keeping in mind that a 12" Newt is fairly bulky.

David
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Blasph
Posted 7/19/2010 12:27 PM (#32868 - in reply to #32651)
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Point taken, 12" is indeed one hella intergalactic supercannon. Anyway after torough consideration, some discussions etc., I came to an agreement that I don't really need the SynScan feature. On one side, it's a nice addition, you can probably trace plenty of interesting objects on the nightsky and cause some distress when your friends see it (lol) but on second thought, it does in a way kill a significant portion of the astronomical magic; the kind of feeling of excitment trying to read your nightsky atlas and the joy of finding the object you were looking for; all the scanning you have to manually perform and 'float' through the sky seeing various things until you finally get what you want. Bearing that in mind, I think I'm going to purchase this:

SkyWatcher (Synta) N-305/1500 DOB 12" Pyrex
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Blasph
Posted 7/21/2010 2:49 PM (#32913 - in reply to #32651)
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One more thing: Do I need to consider some additional components for the scope? I mean like filters or eyepieces or anything else that might be necessary or useful?
I'm aware that the telescope is one thing but there's a whole load of accessories and I'm not sure if I'm not gonna need anything else.
After all, the webshop where I'm planning to buy the scope also sells accessories and I might get some discount maybe or at least only pay for the heavy package once,
and get everything I need in one shot. Any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.
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David Pavlich
Posted 7/21/2010 3:46 PM (#32914 - in reply to #32913)
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The only filter I'd consider would be a variable polarizing filter for looking at the Moon which can be quite intense without the filter. You'll probably want to think about a couple of eyepieces, but, depending on what comes with the scope, I'd play around with the eyepieces (eps) that come with it. However, for a starter, I'd want something like a 2" ep in the 30-40mm range for a nice low power widefield ep. Second, I'd look at something around 17mm and last something around 8mm. I'm not a barlow fan, but if you do get one, make sure it's a good one like Orion's Shorty Plus or Celestron's Ultima, basically one in the same. And a 2X barlow is all you need.

Must haves: Red flash light, Sky&Telescope's Pocket Atlas (star charts) and the book Turn Left At Orion. You should read Turn Left before you get the scope. It will give you a pretty good idea as to what you'll see through the ep.

Good luck!

David
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Blasph
Posted 7/26/2010 1:33 PM (#33056 - in reply to #32651)
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Alrighty the scope just arrived today. DOB 12", I've got some eyepieces - 10mm and 25mm, a finderscope, 2" eyepiece adapter and that's about it.
Luckily it seems the weather will be cloudless tonight and I can't wait to bring out the cannon and shoot at the nightsky
It seems the collimation wasn't much of an issue but I still might want to tweak it a notch to make it perfect.
Anyway I'll post my first impressions once I'm satisfied with what I've seen.
If I'm satisfied, since this is probably going to be a looong night.
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K9WG
Posted 7/26/2010 5:13 PM (#33066 - in reply to #32651)
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WOW! A 12 inch! You should be able to see my house from Poland

That should be a great setup. Can't wait to hear how it performs.

Richard
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David Pavlich
Posted 7/26/2010 5:32 PM (#33071 - in reply to #33066)
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Congratulations! A couple of things have to happen: First, this transaction didn't take place unless there's a picture to varify it. Next, we'll be expecting a nice first light report soonest!

David
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Blasph
Posted 7/31/2010 6:08 AM (#33255 - in reply to #32651)
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Well I guess I'm done for now.
I've been waiting for some time for the sky to clear once more - the only day I had that was not rainy-cloudy was the day the scope arrived.
Last night however the sky cleared again and I had some opportunity to look into it once more.

But first things first: Light pollution. It's... terrible. There are way too many light sources around and I'm getting a lot of reflections and milky vision.
The weather did not allow me to see much already but add light pollution to that and I wasn't very satisfied with what I've seen so far.
Sure I saw M31, I took a good look at the brightest stars on the nightsky, I had the chance to count Jupiter's moons and the craters on our own natural satellite, but that's it.
It seems the weekend is going to grace me with a bit less clouds than this past week so hopefully I can take out the scope somewhere further away from the lights.
The problem is, I've seen a light pollution map and it showed bright spots all over this area.
Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, there's something called a star park not 30 miles from where I live, but I have yet to find more info about that.
I suppose I'll post a more complete "sit-rep" once I visit that place.
Aside from the observations, the scope itself... it's huge o_O
I mean I knew it was gonna be big but it just got bigger somehow once I finally assembled it.
But hey it's no big deal, I have means to transport it and I never assumed that I would carry it on foot.
As for the pictures - they're coming soon, since some of you rather firmly requested that I post the proof of a transaction


Edited by Blasph 7/31/2010 12:08 PM
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